Compartmentalized Thinking

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Some theologians have chosen to deal with the conflict between ungodly scientific speculation and Scripture by putting science and religion into separate compartments. They compartmentalize thinking. When they think about theology, they use one set of assumptions and one authority. When they think about science, they use a different set of assumptions and a different authority.

By keeping each of these compartments separate, they don’t have to deal with the conflicting claims in their worldviews. When they’re with their ungodly friends, they reason from the ungodly side of their worldview. When they’re with people of their denomination (or non-denomination or pre-denomination), they reason from the religious side of their worldview. Ne’er the twain shall meet. This thinking isn’t healthy or necessary since no observation of science conflicts with Scripture. Human assumptions can make Scripture appear to conflict with scientific observation, but no such conflict exists.

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Naturalism: Irrationality

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We’ve already looked into the brute-beast mind and its inability to extrapolate beyond sensory experience. When the brute-beast mind tries to make statements about the unobservable past, it resorts to making up stuff. Science isn’t made-up stuff. Science is observation, intuition, experimentation, and testing. Intuition isn’t always made-up stuff, but sometimes it is. God can move through intuition.

Rocky Rockbuilder: Unless God reveals it, we can’t know it. We can tell stories about the past using our brute-beast minds, the ones corrupted by the fall. But we can’t self-generate information. God didn’t equip us with an innate ability to self-generate truth.

Sandy Sandbuilder: So you’re actively arguing that we shouldn’t scientifically investigate anything whatsoever. Because what you said is a blanket condemnation, so please return your computer to the scientists, and we will smash it for you, and you can be Amish.

Rocky: That’s another straw man argument, but I’m not surprised that you would resort to fallacies. Every conclusion using ungodly thinking springs from fallacy. We need either divine revelation or assumption for science. There’s no dichotomy between science and assumption. There’s no dichotomy between science and divine revelation. With assumptions, you just have to accept divine revelation about natural laws, the order of nature, the existence of reality, etc. and call these revelations “assumptions.” Your other real assumptions that aren’t divine revelations with the “assumption” label, those assumptions launch you into the land of make-believe and pseudoscience.

Here, we need to respond to Sandy’s slur against the Amish. Sandy doesn’t realize how well-educated the Amish are. They can actually do math and think rationally. Most college graduates can’t make that claim.

In direct conflict with what Rocky said about divine revelation, an ungodly thinker may claim that naturalism is the only rational position or the default position and that all science must assume naturalism. Naturalism removes God. However, naturalism forces irrationality in science since naturalism gives no cause for the regularity of nature on which all scientific method depends. And naturalism also results in stories like big bang or evolutionism that violate laws of physics and rely on mystical language and imagined entities like dark matter and dark energy.

Not only that but where could natural laws come from without a natural lawgiver and a natural law enforcer? If we have a cause for natural laws and that cause is reliable, we can do science rationally. However, without Christ, we would need to assume the continued regularity of natural laws. Jesus Christ enforces every law of nature everywhere at every moment. God reveals this truth through the following three Scriptures:

“And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.” (Colossians 1:17 Berean Literal Bible)

“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word.” (Hebrews 1:3a Berean Study Bible)

“For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.” (Romans 11:36 Berean Study Bible)

Jesus Christ is holding everything together and enforcing all the laws of nature through His rhema, His utterance. God created all things through His utterance. Now, He enforces all natural laws through His utterance. Rhema means “that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word.” God is necessary for science, and God reveals reality through science:

“because the known of God is manifest among them, for God has revealed it to them. For from the Creation of the world His invisible qualities, both His eternal power and divinity, are clearly seen, being understood by the things made, for them to be without excuse.” (Romans 1:19-20 Berean Literal Bible)

And yet, ungodly scientific speculation conflicts with Scripture. Persuaders commonly label these speculations as “science,” but no scientist can observe speculations. No scientist can observe a story. Nonetheless, when schools, news programs, and movies call the speculations “science,” some theologians believe the speculations are science.
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Reason and Science

Reason and Science

Contrary to the accusations of some, we followers of Christ don’t renounce reason. We renounce unsound reason and unsound logic since unsound thinking is insanity, and sound thinking is sanity. But sound reason requires a true premise and valid form. Also, if we add anything to that true premise or diminish any part of that true premise, we reason insanely. We can’t know anything by insane reasoning.

Though some accuse Christ-followers of being anti-science, we don’t renounce reasonable and helpful science either. Rather, we only renounce unreasonable and unhelpful pseudoscience and deceptive phantom science. Since God is the Author of all the principles of reasonable and helpful science, we must come to know the Author of the universe before we can truly understand science.

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The Power of God’s Utterance

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Though we can’t fully grasp the power and authority of God’s voice, we can have some small inkling of it. This same voice said, “Let there be,” and there was. By this voice, the universe and everything in it came into existence. This same power of His voice creates a new heart in us. This voice imparts deity into us when we’re born again, putting Jesus Christ into our hearts. It imparts gifts of the Spirit and ministries to lowly humans. It’s the voice that transfigures us into the same image of Christ, cleanses us, and builds up Christ in us as we yield ourselves wholly to it.

“I [God] will instruct you and teach you concerning the path you should walk; I will direct you with my eye.” (Psalm 32:8 International Standard Version)

“Therefore Jesus was saying to the Jews having believed in Him, ‘If you abide in My word, you are truly My disciples. And you will know the truth, and the truth will set free you.’” (John 8:31-32 Berean Literal Bible)

We can’t help but notice God’s method, a method that will cause us to know the truth. Jesus said, “If you abide in My word, you are truly My disciples (ones taught by Me), and you will know the truth.” Still, this Scripture is even more exciting when we look into the original language from which this Scripture was translated. If we translate this Scripture literally, His “word” is His “utterance.” We know the truth by dwelling or journeying in His utterance. So He’s talking about living our daily lives in His presence, listening to His voice, and being set free from slavery.

“If we live our lives in the utterance of Jesus, we’ll know the truth, and the truth will set us free.” (Application of John 8:31-32 in modern English)

If we live our lives in the utterance of Jesus, we’re led by Him, and we respond in obedience. And the Holy Spirit is telling us that His leading and power results in works but not self-righteousness, so human effort isn’t helpful. Rather, we submit ourselves to His love and allow His love to do His works through us. This training leads to maturity, and maturity leads to discernment as the following verse points out:

“But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.” (Hebrews 5:14 English Standard Version)

Here, the word that’s translated as “trained” is a word that means “vigorous exercise,” so this training isn’t passive. Also, the word “by” points to “constant practice,” and this phrase “constant practice” is translated from a word that means habit of body or mind, so it means our behavior.

“. . . who have their powers of discernment vigorously exercised by constant practice to distinguish between good and evil.” (literal)

As we look to God for understanding, we see how this truth ties into what James said about faith being dead without works, so our journey will thoroughly explore how we can discern truth from falsehood. In other words, we’re laying out a broad outline now, but we’ll get down to the detail.

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The Basis of Thought and Discernment

We, as followers of Christ, may never ask enough questions to expose the fact that ungodly thinkers base every claim on made-up stuff. This made-up stuff causes ungodly thinkers to say things that seem crazy to us. Rather than listening, we may argue about details, or we may just shut down the conversation in the face of what we perceive to be such obvious irrationality. But, if we ask enough of the right questions, we get down to the basis of thought. Then we see that ungodly thinkers base their most dogmatically-held beliefs on their own assumptions or the assumptions of certain intellectuals.

On the other hand, when we faithfully listen to God’s voice and yield to Him in submission, we base our thinking on what He says and on the living faith that flows when we acknowledge His voice. But we’ll continue to meet those who base every thought on made-up stuff as they dogmatically claim to know, by the mechanism of made-up stuff, that God isn’t leading, teaching, or correcting anyone anywhere. However, we know that Christ always does what He says He’ll do, to instruct, teach, and direct us. We know this truth by revelation that’s confirmed by experience and by God’s faith that comes as we listen to His voice.
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The Big Difference

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The God Complex

Ungodly thinking can go anywhere since it’s based on made-up stuff. Godly thinking must stick to reality, so it’s constrained. It’s like a narrow and restricted way.

Rocky Rockbuilder: God will judge the ungodly. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Sandy Sandbuilder: Do you feel that those you keep calling ungodly are of God since everything is from God?

Rocky: God created everything. But much of creation rebelled and separated themselves from God.

Sandy: Since God is the ultimate power there is no separation. Separation is an illusion.

Rocky: Without divine revelation, you’re trying to reason beyond your immediate sensory experience. When you do that, you become irrational.

Sandy: I do reason beyond my senses because God created me to do that.

Rocky: That’s a bare assertion. You’re trying to reason beyond your immediate sensory experience without divine revelation. When you do that, you become irrational.

Sandy: According to Scripture wasn’t man made in God’s image?

Rocky: Do you submit yourself to Jesus Christ? Is He Lord of your life? Do you praise Him and worship Him? Have you dedicated yourself to obeying Him in every part of your life?

Sandy: My submission is to God. We are the ones to become the Christ just as Jesus did.

Rocky: That doesn’t answer the questions I asked.

Sandy: That’s the answer I have. I submit to God. And because of that, I become a Christ just as my brother Jesus the Christ did.

Sandy reasons beyond his senses without divine revelation. By the power of his own imagination, he thinks that he’s going to become another Christ separate from Jesus. All he needed was assumption, and he was able to make himself believe this lie. He just needed a little made-up stuff.
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Why the Conflict?

2 Peter 2:12a and Jude 1:10 & 19 speak of those who are like brute beasts, unable to process rational thought and only able to respond to their five senses because they don’t listen to the Holy Spirit.

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Why the Conflict?

Ungodly thinkers and godly thinkers conflict because they each have a different starting point for thinking. An ungodly thinker bases every thought on made-up stuff while a godly thinker bases thought on God and what God is saying in the moment. Before we finish our journey, we’ll understand in detail how we can know reality and avoid being deceived by lies.

Meanwhile, to an ungodly thinker, revelation seems to be a strange basis for thinking. To a follower of Christ, made-up stuff seems to be a strange basis for thinking. But made-up stuff can lead to weird conclusions. In this conflict, ungodly thinkers tend to project their own problems onto godly thinkers by accusing godly thinkers of being irrational. And ungodly Christian thinkers sometimes accuse godly thinkers of creating atheists just as Sandy accused Rocky. However, Brennan Manning gives a different cause of atheism:

The greatest cause of atheism is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him with their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.

Brennan Manning is largely correct. Although we must remember, self-righteousness and virtue signalling also turn people away from Christ. Here’s a strange fact. Ungodly Christians usually have many works, but their works aren’t God’s works since they didn’t originate in God. They deny Christ with their lifestyles.
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Knowing Christ or Pretending

This is a continuation of a dialog between a person who depends on Christ and a person (atheist, pagan, who knows?) posing as a Christian. Rocky Rockbuilder had asked Sandy Sandbuilder whether Sandy had a relationship with Christ in which Christ leads, teaches, and corrects him. Sandy has been ducking and weaving to avoid answering the question. Rocky ended the last post with this: “I don’t need any stories. I prefer reality. I want you to know that you can know Christ, and you can have this relationship. Whoever seeks Him finds Him.” It continues from there.

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Sandy: If I were not a Christian I would not want to hear about God from someone who denies reality. I have been researching this subject for about the same length of time you have. I have read books and watched videos and have seen little if any truth.

Sandy is making another circular argument in which he assumes that his story of billions of years is reality and then uses this assumption to prove billions of years. It’s also a fallacy to think that made-up stuff is real stuff. Still, it’s common for evolutionists to think that their assumptions, stories, conceptual frameworks, ideas, or other forms of made-up stuff are real. They lose the distinction between make-believe and reality. We notice that Sandy didn’t want to talk about knowing Christ but chose instead to speak of being “a Christian.” And yet, we notice he didn’t even claim to be a Christian in the loosest sense of the word.

Rocky: I didn’t ask if you identify with a religion. I asked whether you know Christ. I don’t consider made-up stuff reality no matter how much someone uses appeal to ridicule fallacies to prove their points. The reason you haven’t found truth is because all truth is hidden in Christ Jesus. You can’t reason sanely to any conclusion without a relationship with Christ. When you open your mind to Him, the Holy Spirit begins to lead you into truth.

Sandy: If it is made-up stuff, I am sure you can prove it wrong.

Rocky: Your reasoning commits an appeal to ignorance fallacy. Truth is a positive thing, and sound reasoning requires proof in the form of a true premise. The only way to have a true premise is if God reveals the premise to you. Therefore, if you don’t acknowledge Him, even the things you know are unproven, and you can’t tell the difference between reality and make-believe. I want to tell you that you can know Jesus Christ. It’s important that you come to this relationship. If you yield yourself to Him, the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth one day, but it has to start with opening up to Him.

Sandy: People like you are the reason atheists are atheists. If you don’t believe in evolution or billions of years, you don’t believe in science. If you don’t believe in science, no one will believe you. You will keep people from coming to Christ.

Rocky: Neither evolutionism nor old-earth dogmatism is science. No one has observed either of these. No one has to embrace made-up stuff to bring another person to the truth. Christians who don’t know Christ and never listen to His voice or obey Him can’t bring anyone to Christ. They may bring someone to sign up for a religious organization, but Christ isn’t a religion. Christ is real. How would a person who doesn’t know Christ bring someone else to Christ?

That conversation shows the futility of godless thinking. Sandy may be a religious person, but he can’t or won’t testify of Jesus Christ’s wisdom, knowledge, and power.
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It’s Not About Labels

The word “Christian” lost its meaning since it’s used as a label for people who follow Christ and those who don’t follow Christ. Some people label themselves as “Christian” when they’re really deists since they don’t believe that God is actively involved with His creation. They don’t believe in answered prayer. They don’t believe in miracles. They don’t believe that Christ can lead, teach, and correct. They don’t believe that Christ can give discernment of His voice versus all the other voices. They don’t believe that God imparts grace so we can obey His leading and apply His correction. So, some Christians started calling themselves “followers of Christ” to make a distinction. It didn’t take long before Satan converted “follower of Christ” into a euphemism that’s used to refer to many people who don’t listen to the voice of Christ and don’t even believe that such a relationship is possible. They don’t believe that Christ speaks through Scripture and every means of divine revelation mentioned in Scripture. Many are born again and will go to heaven if they die, but they aren’t following Christ. They don’t even believe it’s possible to follow Christ. Even atheists can pretend to be followers of Christ as the following dialog (continued from a previous post) shows.

2 Peter 2:12a and Jude 1:10 & 19 speak of those who are like brute beasts, unable to process rational thought and only able to respond to their five senses because they don’t listen to the Holy Spirit.

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Rocky: You haven’t given me any proof, and you refuse to admit to knowing Christ. Do you refuse because you don’t know Him? Why do you refuse to testify of His presence?

Sandy: I am waiting for you to tell me about these alternative cosmologies. Since you refer to them in the plural, I assume they are not that good. The real explanation requires only one, not plural. [Sandy again stonewalls by ignoring the question and again goes back to a question Rocky already answered.]

Rocky: The real explanation? A cosmology is a speculative explanation. It goes beyond observation. It goes beyond reality, so there is no real cosmological explanation. All such explanations are made-up stuff. You’re confusing reality with made-up stuff, which is hypostatization. Reality is more important than the land of make-believe, and so I want to ask you about knowing Christ. If you don’t know Him, I want to tell you how you can know Him, but if you do know Him, I want to praise God that you know Him.

Sandy: Why do you need more than one cosmology?

Rocky: I don’t need any stories. I prefer reality. I want you to know that you can know Christ, and you can have this relationship. Whoever seeks Him finds Him.

Sandy: If I were not a Christian I would not want to hear about God from someone who denies reality. I have been researching this subject for about the same length of time you have. I have read books and watched videos and have seen little if any truth.

Sandy is making another circular argument in which he assumes that his story of billions of years is reality and then uses this assumption to prove billions of years. It’s also a fallacy to think that made-up stuff is real stuff. Still, it’s common for evolutionists to think that their assumptions, stories, conceptual frameworks, ideas, or other forms of made-up stuff are real. They lose the distinction between make-believe and reality.

We notice that Sandy didn’t want to talk about knowing Christ but chose instead to speak of being “a Christian.” And yet, we notice he didn’t even claim to be a Christian in the loosest sense of the word.
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Personal Revelation

2 Peter 2:12a and Jude 1:10 & 19 speak of those who are like brute beasts, unable to process rational thought and only able to respond to their five senses because they don’t listen to the Holy Spirit.

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Sandy: The age of the universe has been arrived at in hundreds of ways, and you are trying to tell me all of them are wrong?

Rocky: You claimed that the record God left in His creation shows several billions of years. Without any assumptions at all, show me that what you say is true. You can try to coerce people as you’re doing, and this coercion may work for you sometimes. However, without proof, you aren’t going to convince me of your opinion. God has personally told me that the Bible is true and without error, so I know this truth, but I don’t know about your unsupported claims. You talk about a record, but I sense that this “record” is a figment of your imagination since you won’t show proof.

Sandy: You are denying all of science, and you want me to show proof?

Sandy is again saying, “You ask for proof; therefore, I won’t show proof because you must just take my word without any proof.” He refuses to show proof for his claim of billions of years, and he identifies his claim of billions of years as “all of science.” When an ungodly thinker is defending ungodly made-up stuff, such irrationality is the norm, not the exception.

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