The Debate Mindset

From time to time I post conversations with antagonistic people who refuse to acknowledge the real, living Christ. I do this because those who have hardened themselves against Christ work hard to resist Him. They devise clever questions and hope that no one can answer their questions. They develop arguments against Christ, but all their arguments are irrational. The Holy Spirit can answer the gainsayer and demolish the strongholds in our minds, but it seems that those who have repeatedly rejected Jesus Christ just become more hardened. One of the problems with debates is that they don’t change minds. They just intensify dogmatically-held opinions.

Rockbuilder: Without divine revelation through Jesus Christ, a true premise is impossible. Without a true premise, rational thought is impossible. Whoever seeks Him finds Him. I invite everyone to know Him rather than get involved in religiosity of any kind.

Sandbuilder: that is how imaginary people work.
you have to convince yourself that they are real, before the imaginary is able to do anything.
which is why you have nothing to offer Jesus to convince him to give non-believers (like myself) a “divine revelation”.
tell me about the “divine revelation” you received.

Rockbuilder: God reveals Himself to every person. Some people pretend that they don’t know, but they do. Since they refuse to acknowledge God, God turns them over to their own reprobate minds so that they do all sorts of abominations. They then suppress the truth about God through their unrighteousness. In other words, they build up imaginary worldviews in their minds that act as strongholds against God since they don’t want to yield to the love of God.

Sandbuilder: your God never revealed himself to me.
how did your God reveal himself to you? in fact i have no reason to think your God even exists.

Rockbuilder: What makes you think that you have not suppressed the truth about God in your own unrighteousness? Without making up stuff, what makes you think so?

Sandbuilder: now that is a good question.
do you think you have suppressed the truth about the easter bunny, tooth fairy (or any other creature or being) that you know does not exist?

Sandbuilder: comparing your God to the easter bunny, is how i realized your God does not exist.

Rockbuilder: Tell me how comparing God to the easter bunny proves the universal negative that God doesn’t exist. Explain how you get around the fallacy of claiming a universal negative.

Sandbuilder: LOL, i understand, and if you are willing to answer some simple questions, i can help you understand how i got to my conclusion.
but you didn’t answer my question.
it’s a simple yes or no.
do you think you have suppressed the truth about the easter bunny, tooth fairy (or any other creature or being) that you know does not exist?

Rockbuilder: God reveals to me that they don’t exist, so they don’t exist. When I ask the Holy Spirit about it, He confirms His original statement. Do you see that you how you have suppressed the truth in your unrighteousness? You rationalized and argument against God that was based on made-up stuff. Then you fortified that with smokescreen fallacies. Then you repeatedly confirmed your bias until you built a worldview that you use as a stronghold to filter out the reality of God. Your worldview seems real to you, but it’s a fake reality that seems more real than actual reality. What makes you think that you can get around Agrippa’s trilemma without divine revelation?

Sandbuilder: now that would be a neat trick.
if that were true, there should be ways for you to demonstrate such a thing.
does your God know how many books i have on the table in my bedroom?
if you are able to tell me the correct number, that would be very impressive, and give me a reason to take your claim seriously.

Rockbuilder: God knows. What makes you think that God moves at my command to tell me whatever someone asks me? How did you reason to that conclusion?
And, what makes you think that you can reason to any conclusion beyond what you can observe and test since you have no path to a true premise when you try?

Sandbuilder: because Jesus said so, unless you don’t think Jesus was referring to you.
do you think when Jesus said “anything you ask in my name will be done” applies to you?

Rockbuilder: What makes you think you can reason to your interpretation of that Scripture since your interpretation goes beyond what you can observe, read, or test and you have no path to a true premise when you try?

Sandbuilder: i agree, the bible is so poorly written that i doubt my interpretation of most of the bible is accurate.

Rockbuilder: What makes you think you can reason to your claim that Scripture is poorly written since your claim goes beyond what you can observe, read, or test and you have no path to a true premise when you try?

Sandbuilder: if you rely on the holy spirit to tell you what does and does not exist.
then shouldn’t there be a way for you to test the accuracy of what you are being told?

Rockbuilder: Yes. But what makes you think you can reason to your interpretation leading to your claim that Scripture is poorly written since your interpretation goes beyond what you can observe, read, or test and you have no path to a true premise when you try?

Sandbuilder: i don’t know what you mean.
that sounds like word salad.
i try and make my questions as simple as i can, so i can give you the best chance of understanding what i mean.
do me a favor, and do the same for me.

Sandbuilder: how many well written books can you not understand by reading them once?

Rockbuilder: None. Understanding comes from God, and it’s always progressive.

Sandbuilder: then you already know my reason.
since you assume i don’t understand the bible, then i have no reason to think the bible is well written.

Rockbuilder: Perhaps you don’t understand the question because it conflicts with your worldview. You made a claim. You claimed that the Bible is poorly written. Since you have no path to a true premise for your claim, what makes think your claim is true. Are you just making up stuff and calling the made-up stuff true?

Sandbuilder: what claim do you think i made?

Rockbuilder: “the bible is so poorly written” Your words.

“You made a claim. You claimed that the Bible is poorly written.” My words.
Since you have no path to a true premise for your claim, what makes think your claim is true. Are you just making up stuff and calling the made-up stuff true?

Sandbuilder: oh i see your mistake, and i think i can help you.
do you think i understand most of the bible?

Rockbuilder: Without the Holy Spirit, you can’t understand any of the Bible. Since you refuse to listen to the Holy Spirit, you can’t understand any of the Bible. Since you refuse to listen to God, you can’t understand anything about anything beyond what you can sense with your five natural senses.

Sandbuilder: does the holy spirit know what i will and will not listen to?

Rockbuilder: God is all-knowing.
“the bible is so poorly written” Your words. Since you have no path to a true premise for your claim, what makes think your claim is true. Are you just making up stuff and calling the made-up stuff true?

Sandbuilder: i would love to know how you know that.
since you would have to be all knowing to know if there is something your God does not know.
especially since you won’t even ask your God simple questions that can be verified by others.

Rockbuilder: Actually, anyone would have to be all-knowing to know anything about anything beyond their five senses. That was Agrippa’s trilemma as a naturalist and skeptic. However, God can reveal reality to whomever He wills. He revealed the reality of His existence to you for instance, although it did you no good since you refused to acknowledge Him and suppressed His truth in your unrighteousness. I invite you to know Jesus Christ. Everyone who seeks Him finds Him so long as they sincerely desire Him and His righteousness.

Sandbuilder: are you all knowing?
if you really believe that then i want you to tell your God a message. i want you to tell your God
“Dan B gives his permission to (your God) to get his attention, by any means necessary, no matter what it takes, so he can know without any doubt that (your God) does exist”
that is how confident i am that your God does not exist.

Rockbuilder: You just refuted yourself. Your mind is open, which gives you confidence that your mind is justly closed. You think that’s an excuse, but God says you have no excuse. You avoid Him because your deeds are evil. You love darkness rather than light because you don’t want His light to expose your evil deeds and turn you from them.

Rockbuilder after a long wait: I have to go now, but it’s been good chatting with you. Keep in mind that the door is open for you and the invitation stands. Jesus Christ invites you to know Him. At any time you can direct your mind toward Him and speak to Him. He’s right there. His light shines on you, and He’s keeping you alive to give you a chance to turn to Him. If you ask for the Holy Spirit, He won’t give you a serpent (demon) or a stone (human intellect). He invites you to come to Him and receive His love/righteousness.

Sandbuilder: that is your opinion.
i think you know you don’t have a good reason to think your God exists, which is why you aren’t able to tell me how your God revealed himself to you.
or the revelation was so mundane, that you forgot about the day your God revealed himself to you.

Rockbuilder: For you, everything is just an opinion based on made-up stuff since you fail to acknowledge God’s goodness toward you. You have come to that unfortunate place where you can’t tell the difference between reality and make-believe. Your last post is an example of some claims that are based on made-up stuff. And yet you know that God exists, and you know what He requires, so you’re without excuse before God. The invitation to know Him stands. Not only will He save you from the insane fake reality in which you now live, He’ll deliver you from aionian destruction or worse. I offer you hope, love, life, and purpose. You offer gaslighting fallacies.

Sandbuilder: i have nothing to be saved from.
my offer to explain how i got to my conclusions still stand, if you are willing to answer simple questions, i can help you understand my point of view.

Rockbuilder: More claims based on made-up stuff. A waste of time talking to someone who is dogmatic about his own made-up stuff. It must be true if you thought it up. Rather than wasting my time with a bunch of questions, write a blog. Then give me a link to your blog and save time for both of us.

Sandbuilder: i want to understand your point of view, which is why i ask so many questions.

Rockbuilder: If you want to know my point of view, direct your mind toward Jesus. He’s right there. Speak to Him in your mind or with your mouth. Tell Him that you want truth and righteousness. Tell Him that you know that you’ve become calloused against Him so that your spiritual senses and your mind has trouble accepting Him. Confess your sins to Him, the fact that you haven’t acknowledged Him being the chief sin. Confess all the things you’ve taken when you shouldn’t have. If you’ve ever looked at a woman with lust, confess that sin of adultery. If you’ve ever defended sex outside of a lifelong marriage union between one man and one woman, confess that adultery. If you’ve ever wanted what someone else has, confess that coveteousness. If you’ve ever wished something bad would happen to someone who had more than you, confess that malice and covetousness. If you’ve ever been disrespectful to your parents or anyone who is in authority, confess that. If you’ve ever hated anyone, confess that sin of murder. Stand guilty as charged before your God and ask Him to forgive you. Persist until you break through the strongholds in your mind and you can acknowledge that these words I’m writing aren’t coming from me but the Spirit of the living God. When you realize that these words are from God and listen to God, He will impart His faith, and you will know with certainty. From there, you’ll begin an adventure of moving with Him from glory to ever-greater glory. He’ll impart the Holy Spirit to you, and the Holy Spirit will begin to lead, teach, and correct you in every situation. Then, you’ll know my point of view.

 

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