God’s Plan for Your Salvation

Salvation from sin to righteousness is by grace, which is through faith, which comes by hearing the rhema (utterance or leading) of God. God leads. Faith comes and gives access to grace. Grace says God's words and does God's acts through us if we will yield ourselves to His righteousness. As God does this work in us and we stop fighting against Him, He is planting the seed of the Word (Christ) continually into our hearts until Christ is fully formed in us and the fleshly nature has been eliminated. False religion seeks to self-generate works, truth, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, and every other benefit God gives. Humanity has no capacity to self-generate any of these. They are only available in Christ.

Salvation from sin to righteousness is by grace, which is through faith, which comes by hearing the rhema (utterance or leading) of God. God leads. Faith comes and gives access to grace. Grace says God’s words and does God’s acts through us if we will yield ourselves to His righteousness. As God does this work in us and we stop fighting against Him, He is planting the seed of the Word (Christ) continually into our hearts until Christ is fully formed in us and the fleshly nature has been eliminated. False religion seeks to self-generate works, truth, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, and every other benefit God gives. Humanity has no capacity to self-generate any of these. They are only available in Christ.

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Is Cessationism Scriptural?

The following is an actual conversation on a Christian discussion group. The names have been changed. Notice how Sandbuilder changes Scripture to support his cessationist ideas.

Sandbuilder: The era of Apostleship ended and there are no more Apostles today though some call themselves apostles.

Rockbuilder: I’ve heard that theory, but I don’t know what to do with the word “until” in Ephesians 4:11-13. Do you have a solution for it? Also, I’ve never heard a support for the theory that didn’t twist Scripture. Do you know of anything in Scripture that actually supports this theory without twisting Scripture? Perhaps it’s purely a theological concept. What do you think?

Sandbuilder: I go to Ephesians 2:20. For a building you don’t lay two foundations, but one. The Apostles and Prophets teachings are the foundation of the church. I also look at 1 Corinthians 3:10-13. Revelation 21:14. And a few more.

Rockbuilder: I see an unmistakable line between Scripture and theories about Scripture. I don’t believe Scripture conflicts with itself. Human assumptions make it seem to conflict with itself.

Ephesians 2:20-21 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

I am checked by the Holy Spirit against changing what God is saying to read, “The apostles’ teachings are the foundation of the church.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Since God can’t lie or make mistakes, these Scriptures can’t cancel each other out.

A plain reading of Ephesians 2:20 says that we are build upon the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone.

Then, there is this verse and the word “until” or “til.” We can’t just delete it from Scripture because we don’t like it.

Ephesians 4:11-13 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till [UNTIL] we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Now, there are false prophets and false apostles. There are false pastors, teachers, and evangelists too. They’re all over the place. And we don’t see a body of apostles working right now. However, I believe Scripture. We have seen salvation by grace through faith restored to the church after it got lost somehow. We have seen other orders and precepts of God restored to the church as well. I am convinced that God will restore every precept, order, ministry, office, and gift to the church even though the church mostly runs on made-made forms and rituals right now.

One thing is certain, the Holy Spirit won’t tell you one thing and me another. I may be wrong, but I trust the Holy Spirit to correct me so long as I trust Him and I don’t lean on my own understanding.

Sandbuilder: just as you said, Scripture does not cancel Scripture it magnifies it and confirms it. The words “until” or “till” is for the early church started by the Apostles came to an understanding of the Gospel the work of Christ and till they were able to part that teaching to other men who later on went on and founded other church he’s on the doctrines taught by the Apostles. The Apostles were given revelations directly by God and that is how they were able to teach and later went on to write the Bible. Eph 3:1-7 Paul talks about this.

I agree with you about false prophets and apostles today and the we have them is mainly that Scriptures like these are twisted for their gain. Sadly the majority of the churches today are teaching these types of false doctrines simply for personal gain and not for the building up of the Body.

Rockbuilder: The Bible doesn’t say, “The words “until” or “till” is for the early church started by the Apostles came to an understanding of the Gospel the work of Christ and till they were able to part that teaching to other men who later on went on and founded other church he’s on the doctrines taught by the Apostles”

The Bible says, “Till [UNTIL] we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.”

We don’t have the right to change the words of Scripture to fit a theology.

I see some attempts in almost every organization to approximate some form of apostolic order. In the Lutheran Synods, each synod has a group of theologians who try to interpret the Bible. They don’t really believe the Holy Spirit can guide them in that effort, though. The Catholic Church has a similar system. The mega churches do the same. The various Baptist groups do the same. These are all attempts. They don’t do very well, however. They have not brought us all to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to a Perfect Man to the measure of the fullness of the stature of Christ.

There is coming a day when Christ will receive some but to others He will say, “Depart from Me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you.”

Jesus is real and knowable. Anyone who seeks Him finds Him in a real way. He leads, teaches, and corrects all who follow Him. A lot of people have ways of changing Scripture. They say certain verses no longer apply. They change certain verses to say something those verses don’t say.

They fulfill the words of 2 Corinthians 3:15 but for the entire Scripture. The veil is upon their heart. The veil, that is to say “their flesh.”

The good news is that it goes on to show that if they would turn to the Lord, that veil would be taken away.

However, they don’t even believe they could turn to the Lord. They don’t believe the Lord wants to lead them in any real way and teach them the interpretation on Scripture.

When they look at Scripture, all they see is their fleshly worldview that twists Scripture into something Scripture doesn’t say.

Sandbuilder: that’s the sad truth today.

Rockbuilder: And yet, the Bible says what it says, and it doesn’t say what it doesn’t say regardless of denominational theologies. Jesus gave the key to the unity of Ephesians 4:11-13. He said, “other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” John 10:16 When we look to the Lord and listen to His voice, the fleshly veil (with all its preconceived ideas and strongholds) is taken away. When the veil is taken away, we hear God’s voice with clarity. Then, unity will come. I’m not certain, but I have an impression that a great move of God’s Spirit is coming that will be so strong that we all will stop listening to our own reasonings about the Bible and begin to listen closely to the voice of our Creator.

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From this point, Sandbuilder tried to make it personal about Rockbuilder. It’s not about persons other than the Person of Christ. It came out that Sandbuilder has only a theological, theoretical idea of Christ. He knows some things about Christ. He knows some Scripture, but, as is obvious from the discussion, He doesn’t even read the Scripture as it’s written. He changes it in his mind to say things Scripture doesn’t say. This is typical of cessationists since no one can read Scripture as it’s written and be a cessationist.

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