2 Peter 2:12a and Jude 1:10 & 19 speak of those who are like brute beasts, unable to process rational thought and only able to respond to their five senses because they don’t listen to the Holy Spirit.
We always interpret everything (including Scripture) using either divine revelation or else made-up stuff.
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Rocky had questioned Sandy’s insinuation that the Holy Spirit was limited to human intuition. Here’s Sandy’s answer:
Sandy: We need external checks on our spiritual enthusiasms. It’s too easy to confuse our own desires with the Holy Spirit’s leading.
Rocky: Are you saying assumptions are better external checks than the Holy Spirit? Are you saying divine revelation is subjective? Are you saying assumptions are objective?
Sandy: No, I’m saying young-earth creationists have loads of assumptions and presuppositions of which they’re unaware.
Rocky: Do you think you can know things by assuming them?
Sandy: I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall. Do you honestly believe you read the Bible without assumptions?
Rocky: My experience is that the Holy Spirit is real, and He teaches me and leads me moment by moment. He says He rewards those who inquire of Him, and I believe Him. He says the human mind is deceitful and desperately wicked, and I believe Him. Do you honestly think you can know anything by assuming?
Sandy: Without assumptions, no one can know anything about anything.
Sandy didn’t want to answer some of the questions, so he dodged the questions by answering an irrelevant question no one asked. But did you catch the flip-flop? Diverting attention away from the question, Sandy accuses a group he calls “young-earth creationists” in which he flipped his opinion about assumptions. That is, he flipped from defending assumptions to condemning assumptions. Then he flipped right back in his next comment to defending his own use of assumptions, even saying, “Without assumptions, no one can know anything about anything.” Special pleading fallacies like this one are common in ungodly thinking.
Three unanswered questions remain:
Are assumptions better external checks than the Holy Spirit?
Is divine revelation subjective?
Are assumptions objective?
Leaning on his own understanding rather than acknowledging Christ, Sandy didn’t answer these questions. But as you look at each question and consider the answer, what are your answers to those three questions, and how do you know your answers are correct? Do you have a true premise to back up your answers? How do you know your premise is true?
Rocky didn’t challenge Sandy’s accusation that young-earth creationists have loads of assumptions. Do young-earth creationists “have loads of assumptions and presuppositions?” If some young-earth creationists assume and presuppose, this irrationality would limit their credibility. However, it wouldn’t justify Sandy basing his thoughts on assumptions.
Consider what Sandy just admitted. He admitted that he bases every conviction he has on made-up stuff. That means he makes up the stuff, and then he thinks the made-up stuff is true.
Sandy believes assumptions are the basis of knowledge, and all knowledge is hidden in assumptions. Using an entirely different way of reasoning, Rocky thinks that all knowledge is hidden in Christ Jesus. Still, we must remember both men are Christians.
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http://RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_1_-_Scientia.pdf
