Challenge Godless Thinking

(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf)

While Christian thinking is sometimes baseless, ungodly thinking is always baseless. Christian thinking is baseless when a Christian slips into godless thinking. We Christians aren’t always following the leading of the Holy Spirit. We ought to be, but we aren’t. Whatever the Holy Spirit didn’t initiate and say through us is godless.

There’s nothing wrong with asking a question to point out that an ungodly claim has no foundation in truth. Just don’t think your questions disprove the ungodly claims. You can use truth to disprove a false claim. Only truth can prove or disprove any claim. Truth only comes from Christ. Even though an ungodly thinker cannot possibly answer your question rationally, that doesn’t prove the ungodly thinker’s claim is false. It just proves the ungodly thinker can’t give a sound reason for making the claim. The unbeliever is making an unsupported claim or a claim supported by smokescreen fallacies.

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Ad Ignorantiam

All truth is in Christ. No truth is outside of Christ. That’s why ungodly thinkers depend on bare claims and arguments from ignorance.

(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf)

Ignorance as a Way of Knowing

How could ignorance be a way of knowing? You might be surprised that ignorance is one of the most common ways persuaders use when they’re trying to know truth. Of course, ignorance doesn’t work for finding truth.

The fallacy is “ad ignorantiam.” It’s also known as an “argument from ignorance.” Many people use this fallacy. Argument-from-ignorance fallacies deceive those who use them and make them believe they have obtained knowledge when they haven’t. Argument-from-ignorance fallacies rank right up with the fallacy of making bare claims as a supposed way of knowing. Often, the argument from ignorance works in the form of an “ad ignorantiam question.” If you go out to the discussion groups, you’ll find two methods of reasoning at work in almost all cases. The first is the bare claim, and the second is the ad ignorantiam question. Often, the ad ignorantiam questions are also loaded questions.

Typical Ad Ignorantiam Questions

“Why isn’t there any evidence for God’s existence?”

“If God is good, why is there evil in the world?”

There is evidence for God’s existence, so the first question is loaded. It’s also an ad ignorantiam question. With both questions, when you answer the question, the person asking the question won’t accept any answer you give. The questions aren’t real questions. They’re statements disguised as questions. They make a claim. The unsound logic is: “If you can’t answer this question, my claim is true.”

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How Do We Know?

(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf)

Suppose I feel the word “presupposition” has more substance than being just made-up stuff, and I tell an unbeliever I base my reasoning on my presuppositions. Unfortunately, the unbeliever hears “made-up stuff” when I say “presuppositions.” Why should the unbeliever accept my made-up stuff as any better than his or her made-up stuff? The term “presupposition” can give the illusion truth has no more basis than made-up stuff.

It’s very effective to point out how disbelievers base their conclusions on presuppositions. They based their conclusions on made-up stuff. Ungodly thinking has no other choice. Once we point that out, we can show the difference between presuppositions and divine revelation.

Anyway, we ought to be clear that we don’t believe the Bible is God’s word simply because we’re pretending it is. We don’t believe the Bible is God’s word based on circumstantial evidence, which is always inconclusive. We believe the Bible is God’s word because the voice of the absolute God tells us the Bible is His word. Divine revelation is absolute truth. What God says is absolute. Divine leading requires a real relationship with Christ though.

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Why Not Tell the Truth?

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Presuppositional apologetics has made some important points. Presuppositional apologetics has done much good. Even so, we have to be careful using the term since “presupposition” means made-up stuff to most people. We shouldn’t use the word “theory” when speaking of the stories of evolution. We should use the word presuppose when speaking of the stories of evolution. We shouldn’t use the word “presuppose” when we talk about God or His revelation. If we say we presuppose the Bible is true, we have told people we made up a story. We say we told ourselves the Bible is true. We say we make-believe the Bible is true. That’s not very convincing. And it’s not what’s happening. Why would anyone lie about what’s really happening? Why not tell the truth? The Holy Spirit speaks to us from within and shows us the Bible is true. And anyone can test this since everyone who sincerely seeks truth finds Christ.

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Presuppositional Apologetics

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Presuppositional Apologetics

People take several routes to do apologetics and defend the Gospel. They call one of these “presuppositional apologetics.” Presuppositional apologetics says all belief systems depend on presuppositions. Here’s a list of beliefs that depend on presuppositions:

  • Evolutionism
  • Old-earthism
  • Abiogenesis
  • Atheism
  • Agnosticism

Some presuppositional apologists say they base their belief in Christ on presuppositions. That puts them on a level playing field with the ungodly thinkers. Others say they base their belief in Christ on the fact they know Him, which puts ungodly thinkers at a disadvantage. Others never make themselves clear.

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Equivocation at Berkley

Ungodly people use many tricks to turn people from the teachings of Christ. They try to discredit the Bible. This is an example from the book “Real Faith & Reason”

(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf)

Berkeley uses the logical fallacy of equivocation to confuse thinking about assumptions. Equivocation blurs the distinction between two different things. It gives an illusion that two different things are the same thing. In this case, Berkeley uses the word “assumption” for two different things.

  • They use the word “assumption” for made-up stuff.
  • They use the word “assumption” for real stuff.

The following quote from the Berkeley website will illustrate the problem:

Much as we might like to avoid it, all scientific tests involve making assumptions — many of them justified. For example, imagine a very simple test of the hypothesis that substance A stops bacterial growth. Some Petri dishes are spread with a mixture of substance A and bacterial growth medium, and others are spread with a mixture of inert substance B and bacterial growth medium. Bacteria are spread on all the Petri dishes, and one day later, the plates are examined to see which fostered the growth of bacterial colonies and which did not. This test is straightforward, but still relies on many assumptions: we assume that the bacteria can grow on the growth medium, we assume that substance B does not affect bacterial growth, we assume that one day is long enough for colonies to grow, and we assume that the color pen we use to mark the outside of the dishes isn’t influencing bacterial growth. ~ Berkeley Website, Making assumptions

Let’s examine these so-called assumptions.

We assume that the bacteria can grow on the growth medium

That’s a lie. We don’t assume the bacteria can grow on the growth medium. We wouldn’t introduce too many unknowns at once. That would be sloppy science. We would have tested this growth medium to make sure the bacteria could grow on it. Then we wouldn’t have to assume it. We wouldn’t make this assumption.

Ungodly thinkers do make REAL assumptions. For instance, ungodly scientists assume things like the existence of a real-world, the reality of math, and the reality of logic. And they assume naturalism, materialism, and uniformitarianism. However, they don’t assume the bacteria can grow on the growth medium.

We assume that substance B does not affect bacterial growth

They wouldn’t assume that either. They don’t just grab some random substance B without knowing what they’re grabbing so they have to assume. Instead, they use a substance they’ve repeatedly tested using the scientific method. Then they can make sure it doesn’t affect bacterial growth.

We assume that one day is long enough for colonies to grow

They wouldn’t have tested their hypothesis on bacteria with an unknown growth rate, but they would have known the growth rate. Even if they don’t know how long it takes, they first perform a separate experiment to find out how long it takes. So they would have tested the growth rate by previous experiments using the same bacteria and growth medium to determine the growth rate. After they test how long it takes, they don’t have to assume the growth rate. Rather, with a known growth rate, they set the time to a period they know is long enough for the experiment.

We assume that the color pen we use to mark the outside of the dishes isn’t influencing bacterial growth.

Again, they wouldn’t make this assumption. What lab would throw an untested pen into the mix? What lab wouldn’t know whether the experiment is bringing meaningful results?

They can test every one of these so-called assumptions. And yet, they call them “assumptions.” They aren’t real assumptions. That means Berkley uses a fuzzy definition of the word “assumption.” Using this fuzzy definition results in equivocation. It’s deceptive. Here’s how the deception works.

  1. They call these testable known facts “assumptions.” [They aren’t assumptions, but they call them “assumptions.”]
  2. Calling known, testable facts “assumptions” gives the illusion assumptions are just as good as known facts. [But assumptions aren’t as good as known facts.]
  3. Then they also call untestable statements “assumptions.” They introduce real, off-the-wall assumptions. For instance, they assume naturalism, materialism, and uniformitarianism.
  4. They treat those real, off-the-wall assumptions as if they’re the same as known facts.
  5. They then bring real, off-the-wall assumptions as evidence for untrue stories.

First, the website shows students known facts but calls those known facts “assumptions.” This confusion of the word “assumptions” deceives the students to think assumptions are just as good as known facts. Next, the schools ask the students to accept real, off-the-wall assumptions. The students think assumptions are just as good as known facts. Once students believe that, the schools can deceive the students. They can lead those students anywhere they want them to go.

Sadly, this teaching destroys the ability to think rationally, so the students are less able to tell the difference between good and evil, truth and error, or reality and make-believe. In the end, the students lose their ability to think clearly. Many universities and colleges educate students into ignorance.

So we see the paragraph from the Berkeley website is a magic trick, an illusion. And illusions deceive. Many students won’t detect the illusion, so, even if we explain how the illusion works, students may find it confusing.

Let’s look at some real assumptions with no basis in fact:

  • Assumption: We can make valid assumptions without proof.
  • Assumption: Science provides the most reliable knowledge about reality and how it works.
  • Assumption: There’s no spiritual realm.
  • Assumption: We must base all reason on assumptions.
  • Assumption: God can’t affect or control scientific inquiry.
  • Assumption: God doesn’t reveal reality to human beings.
  • Assumption: The Holy Spirit doesn’t lead, teach, and correct followers of Christ moment-by-moment in every situation.
  • Assumption: Natural processes are sufficient for understanding the natural world.
  • Assumption: There was no Genesis Flood.
  • Assumption: There’s no God.
  • Assumption: No one can know God.
  • Assumption: All natural processes continue at the same rate from the beginning. That means the Genesis Flood didn’t happen.

No one can verify these assumptions because they consist of made-up stuff. They’re unproven claims. On the other hand, the so-called “assumptions” in the quote from Berkeley aren’t assumptions at all. Rather, they’re known facts. And yet schools like Berkeley use the same word to describe two opposites:

  • Made-up stuff
  • Knowledge God revealed using the scientific method.

The Berkeley site implies there’s no difference between empirical science and made-up stuff. They also apply the word “science” to observation and made-up stuff. In this way, they lose their ability to discern between reality and make-believe. And then they impose this lack of discernment on their students. So students bring this disconnection from reality into their adult lives, jobs, social relationships, ethics, and morality.

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Mixing Fantasy and Reality

(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf)

Your worldview mixes fantasy and reality and doesn’t draw a line between the two. Your worldview confuses you because it’s not real, but it seems real. Your worldview is no more real than anyone else’s worldview. You don’t need illusion. You need the truth. The truth will set you free from sin and the curse that comes with sin. Jesus is the Truth. Let His Spirit lead you.

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Assumptions from Worldviews from Nonsense

Why trust our hardened ideas? Why not trust Jesus? Why not know Him? That’s what life is really about.

 

(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf)

Since assumptions come from worldviews, and those worldviews seem more real than reality itself, our assumptions aren’t directly based on experiences. Instead, we’ve discovered we create our assumptions from our worldviews. And we create our worldviews from experiences interpreted and filtered through the following:

  • irrational thinking of the past
    • arbitrary assumptions
    • made-up stories
    • assertions contrary to fact
    • presuppositions
    • assumptions accepted as if they were facts and used as the basis for reasoning
  • past fake-realities
  • confirmation bias of the past
  • rational thinking of the past based on divine revelation
  • irrational thinking of the present
  • influences of demonic entities and peer pressure

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Don’t Worship Intellect

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; n all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5-6
 
“The heart is more deceitful than all else
And is desperately sick;
Who can understand it?
Jeremiah 17:9
 
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. Romans 12:2
 
(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf) Because the human mind is weak, this brute-beast mind accepts assumptions as fact, and eventually thinks the assumptions are real. The brute-beast mind accepts the assumption as a presupposition. It’s still only an assumption treated as if it were real, but now it feels real, appears real, sounds real, tastes real, and smells real, yet it’s not real. However, the human mind doesn’t question what we presuppose. (end quote)
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Foundation of the Creation Account

(quote from RealReality.org/Real_Faith_and_Reason_Vol_2_-_Scientia.pdf)

Now, let’s look at the foundation of the Creation-Flood account.

  1. The Foundation is the person of Jesus Christ. [We build on Christ, not the concept of Christ. We can’t lay any other foundation than Jesus Christ.]
  2. Christ leads, teaches, and corrects everyone who follows Him. He’s with us every moment in every part of our lives. Jesus says, “My sheep hear My voice,” and “Whoever is on the side of truth listens to Me.” The Holy Spirit is calling us to listen to Him.
  3. Faith comes by hearing. “In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths.” Faith gives access to God’s grace, and God’s grace does His righteousness through us.
  4. Righteousness demolishes the carnal mind and forms Christ in us, which is holiness. Through righteousness, God progressively sets us free from sinful human nature, and this freedom is redemption. As we yield the members of our bodies to God’s righteousness, we gain more discernment. We can tell true revelation from make-believe because the Holy Spirit renews our minds. “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” It’s not the works that transform us, but it’s the Holy Spirit Who transfigures us as we see God’s glory and yield our spirits, minds, and bodies to the Holy Spirit.
  5. Therefore, we have an ever-more-clear revelation. By revelation, we see the Bible is God’s word. We see the history in the Bible is accurate. We see God’s creation confirming the Bible and glorifying God. We don’t go beyond what’s written or beyond what we’ve observed. We don’t add any assumptions. We only know what God has revealed, and we stick to this revelation.
  6. From this Foundation, we seek God, so we know how to interpret what we observe in all the sciences. We don’t go beyond the observations or what God reveals about the Creation and Flood events.

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